7th Day Sabbath and the NEW Covenant (Post #9)

Due to my reading, researching and listening to the Holy Spirit, I am sure that as a believer in JESUS, I am under the NEW Covenant, and the NEW brought change. I am in no way bound by the laws given in the old covenant. I do believe I should read all of GOD’s word so I can see a complete picture of who GOD is and how HE related to people in the old and how HE relates to people under the NEW. When I take the words of the NEW Testament to heart, determine to live by those words and allow the Holy Spirit to do HIS work in me, than I am certain I am pleasing to my GOD!!

This post like the first eight will come from the perspective that JESUS is God’s son….God himself and that the whole bible (old and new) is full of God’s words, not man’s and therefore we can trust that GOD made sure that we had one book that is a completely reliable source of information for us to have faith in and live by.

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“God is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Heb. 13:8), but this refers to God’s character and nature, not to His laws for men.” ~~Via article @ Gospel Way

Today’s post is about the Sabbath, as in the 4th Commandment.

I have really searched, sought, read, studied, pondered, prayed and begged GOD for truth in reference to the 4th commandment (7th day Sabbath). GOD has answered my prayer (as I knew HE would) and I have complete peace about Sabbath observance. What I know to be true according to the WORD of GOD and the voice of the Holy Spirit is that as a believer under the NEW Covenant I am not obligated to observe the 7th day Sabbath. Though I do believe I am obeying the purpose of the 7th day Sabbath by choosing to abide and rest in HIM continualy; day by day. Actually I do not believe as a child of GOD (believer of JESUS) living under the New Covenant that I am obligated to obey any commandment given under the Old Covenant. To know how to live I need to look at the commands that were given under the New Covenant; because I do believe that GOD gave us all the instructions/commandments He wanted us to have in the writings of the New Testament. I am not disrespecting the Old Covenant law or GOD HIMSELF by saying that I am now obligated to follow the New Covenant laws. I also think the entire Old Testament is very important to read, ponder and study!!! I just think the answers of what is right and wrong under the New Covenant are made known through the Holy Spirit and the words GOD gave the New Testament writers. I know that many of the commands we are supposed to live by are exactly like some that were given under the old covenant, many go to a deeper (heart) level, and many, many commands are completely done away with under the New Covenant. I respect GOD’s laws/commandments and my hearts desire is to fully obey HIM because I love HIM. I do have so much to learn in GODs entire word but if I have a question of right or wrong, or how to live, etc., I look into the words of the New Covenant. I do believe I have freedom to observe the 7th day Sabbath or not to observe it. Again I do not believe we are bound by the old covenant or the commands within the old and that includes the ten commandments. I know it sounds crazy to say that we are not bound to the ten commandments but what I mean is, that we are not bound to them as the package that was given under the old covenant. We are bound to nine of the ten because they are specifically mentioned over and over in the NEW covenant. I could go on and on with my thoughts; and with scripture, etc to show why I believe what I believe BUT other people have already done the hard work, so I think I will just let them share.

(Side note: I do not believe that Sunday became the Sabbath; Sunday is a day to come together and worship, it can be used to rest if one wishes but I do not believe it ever became the new Sabbath.)

Quote from Gospel Way Article: I encourage you to read the entire article. Just so you know, I agree with 95% of what is said but I think that is a pretty good percentage -smiling here-)

The Ten Commands were given only to Israel.

Deuteronomy 4:1,44,45 – The Ten Commands were given to the children of Israel after they came out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 5:1,6 – Moses spoke to Israel and gave them the Ten Commands to observe. God brought them out of the land of Egypt.

Exodus 34:27,28 – The Lord made a covenant with Israel writing on tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

1 Kings 8:9,21 – The two tablets of stone contain the covenant the Lord made with Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 4:7-13 – No other nation had such a great law as the Ten Commandments.

These laws were in effect throughout Israel’s generations

God repeatedly told Israel that various provisions of the law were to last “throughout their generations.” This is said regarding:

Genesis 17:9,10 – Circumcision
Exodus 12:14; Leviticus 23:21,31,41 – Holy feast days
Exodus 29:42; 30:10 – Animal sacrifices
Exodus 30:8 – Incense
Exodus 30:31 – Holy anointing oil
Exodus 31:13-17 – Sabbath observance
Exodus 40:15; Numbers 18:23 – Levitical priests in the tabernacle.

[Cf. Num. 15:38; Ex. 30:21; Lev. 7:36; Num. 10:8; 35:29]

All these practices were to endure for the same length of time – throughout Israel’s generations. If any of them has ceased, then they must have all ceased since they were all to endure the same length of time. But we have already proved that many of them have ceased, therefore they must have all ceased.

These all continued as long as Israel’s special relationship to God continued, and all would end when that special relation ended. That special relationship ended when the gospel came into effect. There is no more Jew or Gentile in God’s plan (Gal. 3:28). [Cf. Eph. 2:11-18; Acts 10:34,35; 15:7-11; Rom. 10:12; Col. 3:11]

A. Today We Must Obey the New Testament.

The reason the Old Covenant is not needed now is that Jesus replaced it with a different covenant, the gospel.

Hebrews 10:9,10 – Jesus took away the first will that He might establish the second. (cf. Heb. 8:6-9; 7:22; 2 Cor. 3:6)

Romans 7:4 – We are freed from the law to be joined to Christ.

Galatians 3:24-27 – We are not under the schoolmaster (old law) because now the gospel faith has come (cf. 1:11,12).

An illustration: The area we now call the United States was once ruled by Britain, then it was under the Articles of Confederation, and now we are under the Constitution. Likewise God provided for man first the patriarchal rule, then the laws at Sinai, and now the gospel or New Testament. We are no more subject to the Old Testament laws than we are to the Articles of Confederation.

Nine of the Ten Commands are repeated in the New Testament.

1. No God but Jehovah – 1 Cor. 8:4; Acts 14:15

2. No graven images – Gal. 5:19-21; Rom. 1:22,23; 1 John 5:21

3. Don’t take God’s name in vain – James 5:12

4. Remember the Sabbath. This command is the only one of the ten that is nowhere repeated in the New Testament. The only Sabbath rest promised in the New Testament is eternal life (Heb. 4:9-11).

5. Honor your parents – Eph. 6:2,3

6. Do not kill – Rom. 13:8-10

7. Do not commit adultery – Rom. 13:8-10; 1 Cor. 6:9,10

8. Do not steal – Rom. 13:8-10; Eph. 4:28

9. Do not bear false witness – Rev. 21:8; 22:15; Col. 3:9

10. Do not covet – Rom. 13:8-10; Eph. 5:3.

We obey the commands that are repeated in the New Testament, not because they were in the Old Testament, but because they are in the New Testament.

Conclusion

The Bible teaches that the entire Old Testament law was removed by God. None of it is binding today as authority for any religious practice, and that includes the Sabbath and Ten Commands……

The New Covenant is a better system, having a better hope, and built on better promises (Heb. 7:22; 8:6; 9:23; 7:19). Do not become entangled again in the bondage of the Old Law

The above Quote from Gospel Way Article: (If you want to read more from this article (I encourage you to do so), go HERE. Just so you will know, I agree with 95% of what is said but I think that is a pretty good percentage -smiling here-)

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The Quote below is from a different article named The Sabbath and Sunday. I also encourage you to read this whole article, I also agree with about 95% of this article.

WHEN THE NEW TESTAMENT LISTS SINS, SABBATH BREAKING IS CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT:

In Mark 7:21-22 13 sins are listed. Jesus did not mention breaking the Sabbath.
In Romans 1:29-32 20 sins are listed and not one of them is Sabbath breaking.
In Galatians 5:19-21 a list of 15 sins are given,
In 2 Timothy 3:1-4 there’s a list of 18 sins, but not once is Sabbath breaking mentioned!

DO WE EVEN KNOW THE REAL SABBATH?

In 1582 Gregory XIII found a miscalculation in the calendar and decreed to drop October 5-14 and to drop 3 leap years in every century. In England 11 days (September 3-13) were dropped in 1752, in addition to other changes. (See Heresies Exposed, p. 167).

The Quote above is from a different article named The Sabbath and Sunday. I also encourage you to read this whole article, I also agree with about 95% of this article.

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The above Quote comes from an article called What do the Scriptures Say about the Sabbath , I would encourage you to read the entire article, it is long but worth it. Again I will not claim I believe in 100% of what this author says but I do easily believe 95% of it.

 Jesus alluded to this Sabbath healing, and the controversy it caused, in John 7:22-23. He pointed out the irony that the Jews did not allow healing on the Sabbath, but they did allow circumcision. “If a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath?”

Work could be done on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses would not be broken, showing that the law of Moses commanding circumcision was considered more important than the Sabbath restriction. The circumcision law was more important than the strictness of the Sabbath law, just as the laws of temple ritual were – and yet circumcision and rituals are obsolete.

The Jews probably had no answer for Jesus. They could not refute what he said, and that is one reason they tried to kill him. But the readers of John’s Gospel would understand that circumcision, temple rituals and “the law of Moses” were not required for gentile Christians. If important laws could be swept aside, what does that imply for the lesser requirements of the Sabbath law?

Jesus criticized the Pharisees’ approach to various laws and rituals, including ritual handwashing (Matthew 15:2), phylacteries (Matthew 23:5) and Corban rules (Mark 7:11-13). In all these things, he antagonized the Pharisees and risked his life. But these criticisms were not attempts to tell his disciples how to continue these customs in a better way. In fact, Jesus’ criticisms helped the early church realize that these customs were obsolete. Therefore, we cannot assume, when the Gospels record Jesus criticizing the way something was done, that he wanted the practice continued by the church in a better way.

Jesus sometimes criticized the way the Pharisees approached customs that were good, including almsgiving, prayer and fasting (Matthew 6:2, 5, 16). On these topics, Jesus clearly taught his disciples to continue the practice (verses 3, 6, 17). But Jesus never taught his disciples to keep the Sabbath. We are told about work that Jesus did on the Sabbath, but we are never told that he rested on the Sabbath. He repeatedly noted that restrictive rules were violations of the intent of the Sabbath — he taught that a focus on external details was ineffective and incorrect. Those restrictions did not transform the heart.

Jesus never broke the Sabbath, nor did he teach others to break the Sabbath. But neither did he teach against circumcision and sacrifices. He could not while the old covenant was still in force. He could point out administrative problems, and present himself as the Lord, but it was not yet time to publicly reject any particular law (see John 16:12-13). But the implications are there. When John describes Jesus as working on the Sabbath, he does not feel compelled to explain that Christians cannot. When Luke says that people are freed on the Sabbath, he does not feel compelled to qualify what he said. Jesus’ example regarding the Sabbath is liberty, not rules.

Paul, like Jesus, customarily went to the synagogue. But why should we insist on imitating one phrase of the sentence and ignore another part? Why should we cite the example of “Sabbath” but not of “synagogue”? The fact that this was a synagogue should alert us to the historical situation and should caution us regarding specific customs. Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath because that is when and where people were assembled to hear discussions of Scripture. That is when and where he had an audience. He went to Jews first, and then to gentiles, and the best way to preach to Jews would be to go to the synagogues on the day Jews were there.[21]

Paul sometimes kept other Jewish customs, too, such as circumcision, making vows and participating in temple rituals. His example isn’t automatically authoritative. If we imitate all the ways in which he lived like Jesus, we would have to be celibate traveling preachers. We need to discern which details of their lives were based on the culture they lived in, and which were based on timeless principles.

Paul considered himself under the law of Christ, not under the law of the old covenant (1 Corinthians 9:19-21). He was free to observe old covenant customs when with Jews, and he was free to ignore them in other situations. Peter was free to “live like a Gentile,” and Paul was, too (Galatians 2:14). Today, we are to obey the commands of Jesus (Matthew 28:20), and neither Jesus nor Paul ever commanded anyone to rest on the Sabbath.

The Sabbath pointed an unconverted nation to its Creator. It gave them frequent reminders of him, just as the temple and its sacrifices did. But now that the Creator is living in us, we do not need pointers in the same way. Just as we abide by the spiritual purpose of circumcision through repentance and forgiveness — completely ignoring the physical details the old rite demanded — we abide by the spiritual purpose of the Sabbath when we have faith in Christ.

Paul taught regularly on the Sabbath (Acts 18:1-11). Was he teaching the gentiles to keep the Sabbath?

This passage says only that he taught in the synagogues for a few Sabbaths — after that, it does not say when he taught. Although it may have been on the Sabbath, it may have been on other days, too, as it was in Athens and Ephesus. And the passage says nothing about avoiding work on a particular day of the week.

The book of Acts tells us what Paul did on a few Sabbaths and a few other days. If we want to know what Paul himself taught about the Sabbath, we must turn to the only place the word “Sabbath” is used in his epistles: Colossians 2:16-17: “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”

The contrast between “shadow” and “reality” is found also in Hebrews 10:1 — the sacrificial laws were a shadow of the good things that were coming (same Greek word and tense as in Colossians 2:17), not the reality. Just as the sacrifices were shadows that pointed to Christ and were superseded by him, the old covenant worship days were also shadows that pointed to Christ.

Now that he has come, the days are no longer standards by which we are judged. The proper standard is Jesus Christ. At the last judgment, the determining factor will not be about days, but about faith in Jesus Christ. His coming has made an enormous difference in the way God’s people should worship in spirit and in truth.

Paul did not teach gentile Christians to keep the Sabbath. He actually told them that the Sabbath was not an area in which we should be judged. As he told the Roman church, which contained both Jews and gentiles, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5).[22]

Of course, there is no New Testament verse that says the Sabbath is now obsolete. Instead, there are verses that say the entire old covenant law is obsolete. The law of Moses is not required. The Sabbath is repeatedly likened to things now obsolete: temple sacrifices, circumcision, showbread, a shadow. It is not a basis for judging one another, and it must not be taught as a necessary addition to Christ. Therefore, many Christians conclude that the Sabbath is not required.

If the Sabbath were a requirement, it would be astonishing that the New Testament never mentions such an important command. It has space for all sorts of other commands, including holy kisses, but no occasion to command the Sabbath. Sweeping statements are made regarding the old covenant law, but never does anyone say, “except the Sabbath.” If the Sabbath is essential, it is astonishing that no one is ever criticized for ignoring it.

Paul dealt with numerous problems of Christian living, and he lists numerous sins that can keep people out of the kingdom of God, but he never mentions the Sabbath. In describing sins of the gentiles (Romans 1), he says nothing about the Sabbath. He says plenty about faith and love, magnifying the real purpose of God’s law, but the Sabbath is simply not commanded. Nor is it credible to claim that the entire New Testament was purposely written in such a way that only a spiritual elite would understand the most important command.

Instead, the Sabbath is an indifferent matter. People are free to rest on that day if they do it to the Lord. People are free to use the day in other ways, too, if they are living to the Lord. Believers are free to meet on the seventh day of the week, or on any other day.

The above Quote comes from an article called What do the Scriptures Say about the Sabbath , I would encourage you to read the entire article, it is long but worth it. Again I will not claim I believe in 100% of what this author says but I do easily believe 95% of it.

Closing thought:

I continue to trust in the fact that GOD said HE was going to make a NEW Covenant; and that when HE made it; HE clearly brought changes, therefore it does not look exactly like the old covenant.  GOD had a purpose for everything HE did, and commanded in the old and HE has a purpose for everything that HE has done and commanded under the NEW.

Again I do not believe we are obligated out of love to obey any of the laws in the Old Testament except for all those that were reiterated or given under the New Covenant. I believe JESUS did fulfill the whole purpose of the law and prophets. In Jer. 31, it says the NEW Covenant wouldn’t be like the old and that it would be placed within. Then in Hebrew 8:13 it says….. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear, Heb 7:12 ….For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law., and in 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. I believe the specific commands given to the Israelites when GOD brought them out of Egypt were only for them and then anyone who wanted to live with them. Though outsiders were not able to join in on all that the Israelites did, they were still considers outsiders, and they didn’t reap all the blessings the Israelies did under the old covenant. So with much study and prayer I do not believe I am obligated in love to obey the 7th day Sabbath commandment,  just like I don’t feel I am obligated to offer sacrifices, and offerings, perform purification rituals, bring charges against a homosexual or someone who doesn’t observe Saturday Sabbath; a charge that would condemn them to death, or that I can only wear clothes that are made completely of one kind of fiber, or call out unclean, unclean to someone I might pass due to their sickness, and I don’t have to consider myself unclean when it is that time of the month, etc. I do believe the observing 7th day Sabbath falls under the freedom of a believer to observe it or not to observe it. I believe that everyday I should rest in the LORD, and that everyday I should be abiding in HIM. I believe HIS kingdom, HIS purpose, HIS desire for all to come to HIM, is much bigger than ‘one’ day. I will end with a few verses that are in the New Covenant, and with the hope that no matter how we might stand in our understanding of this topic that we all choose to walk in love and respect for one another.
 
“He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.” Rom. 14:6
 
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day– Colossians 2:16
 
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5

I hope you might read the words in my first five-post in reference to the New Covenant:

What does it really mean be under a New Covenant (Post #1)

What does it really mean to be under a New Covenant (Post #2)

JESUS was the way GOD ushered in the New Covenant (Post #3)

JESUS declares the NEW Covenant is in HIS blood! (Post #4)

We needed the NEW and it is better than the old (Post #5)

Since GOD has given us the NEW, do not go back and live under the old (Post #6)

What Changes did the NEW Covenant bring (Post #7)

GOD doesn’t Change but HIS Covenants did! (Post #8)

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14 Comments Add yours

  1. g says:

    You are very deluded. Christ Himself said that HE came NOT to destroy the LAW or the prophets but to FULFILL them — the word FULFILL means to PERFECT – to clarify all things that people misunderstand on one extreme or the other. I am praying for you to see the Truth and stop justifying your own choices to yourself, and suppositioning your own preconceived inherited beliefs (for you have inherited lies and are passing them on to others) in place of GOD’s TRUTH.

    1. Angie says:

      Thanks for commenting. JESUS did say HE did not come to wipe out or destroy the law but to fullfill it. Which means to complete it, accomplish the purpose of it, as you said one definition may even be to perfect it. HE came to do what the law couldn’t do and was never intended to do. While HE lived he did teach people the full meaning of each law, as we see him doing in the scriptures that follow the ones you mentioned in your comment that are in Matthew 5. Yet, when HE died and rose again HE had fullfilled, accomplished, completed and perfected the purpose of the Old Covenant and brought in the New Covenant. If you are a believer in JESUS than you will understand there are so many laws from the OC that do not have to be obeyed today or can not be obeyed today because of what HE did. Besides the ones that are specifically mentioned (along with all the new commands we are given) in the NT, how do you decide which ones to obey? If we are still bound to the 7th Day Sabbath observance, than why aren’t we bound to the sacrafices, purification rituals, offerings, putting people to death for not observing the Sabbath, or for being homosexual, or kids that curse and rebel against their parents, yelling out Unclean, Unclean when someone is sick, etc. Either we are still bound to all the commandments of the OC and we are bound to the OC or we accept that we are now under a NC and with the NC there are changes in how GOD relates to us and how we relate to HIM. I believe in what the NC word says “we are no longer under the OC because we are now under the NC (the law of Christ) and that with a new priest comes new laws, etc.”. So I look to the NC words and the HOLY SPIRIT to tell me how to live out my day to day life. When I hear people say that we are still under the OC and it’s laws, I have to wonder why they aren’t obeying all of them and how they justify not obeying them the way GOD commanded them to be carried out. What I see is that people say they are following the law yet they don’t follow most of the commands. The ones I see people hold onto and really preach about are keeping the feast and festivals (which today are not being followed the way GOD commaded), not eating pork and 7th day Sabbath. I can easily skip eating pork and I can rest on Saturday but it is not possible to obey the commands about the Feast and Festivals because there is no way they can be observed the way GOD commanded. Plus if I observed them the way GOD commanded, I would not be worshipping GOD for JESUS, I would only be worshipping (and remembering) HIM for what HE did for the Isrealites. I do thank you for your prayers. If I have misunderstood the words of the NC, or the voice of the HS, than my prayer is that I will get it right!

  2. g says:

    How can you say the New Testament never mentions the Sabbath? Seriously?!
    JESUS kept the Sabbath, so did (and do) HIS disciples and apostles and ALL TRUE followers seekign to worship HIM in SPIRIT AND TRUTH. We are meant to follow in HIS footsteps and HE says that the Sabbath was made FOR MAN, a blessing! He clarified that the Sabbath is a GIFT to us, and that we were not created to serve the Sabbath but to serve GOD and be thankful for the day of rest HE provided to us by honoring HIM on that day.

    1. Angie says:

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts on what I wrote. I appreciate hearing from other believers and talking out GOD’s word.
      I didn’t say the NT never mentions the Sabbath, I said it was never stated in the NT that we must obey the command given in the OT to observe the 7th day Sabbath. The NT does spend plenty of time speaking clearly of commands we must keep but it never does that about the Sabbath. Yes, JESUS did say the Sabbath was made for man. He was made so that man would make sure he rested, and that HE would weekly be reminded to think on, and worship GOD. They needed this weekly reminder because they did not have the HOLY SPIRIT dwelling in them. In today’s society there are so many different work schedules, so many conviences (microwaves, grocery stores, fast food places) that make life a lot easier than it was at that time. Then people had to work hard everyday from sun-up to sun-down to survive. So GOD made sure they had to rest by giving them this command. This command like so many other given at MT Sanai were given so that there would be a distinct difference between GOD’s people and all other people. I believe that the Sabbath was a gift when GOD gave it and it served the purpose that GOD intended it to do. For some people today that have crazy work schedules, etc. they may still freely take the Sabbath as the gift it is. As far as the disciples continueing to observe the Sabbath, we don’t know that they were observing the Sabbath exactly as was commanded in the OT. We do know that on the Sabbath they went where they would have an audience to speak the words of the gospel. It never says they rested. Paul also speaks that when he was with those that walked under the law he also acted that way and when he was with those that are not under the law he walked that way. His purpose was to walk and share the gospel by any means he could. Again thank you for sharing!

  3. g says:

    Colossians 2:16
    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in RESPECT of an HOLYday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH days: — he is not speaking to people who are NOT observing these things but to believers who ARE honoring and respecting God enough to submit themselves to HIM with repentant hearts under HIS Grace, no longer seeking their own will or their own reasoning but Trusting fully and wholly in God.
    Christ clarified things done away – it will take you a lot of study- this understanding does not come overnight or in a handful of studies of what other people have to say about it either. It takes a lot of prayer and sincerely seeking the Truth from the Word of God putting aside all preconceived ideas and just asking God to show it to you, and if you reallly want to know, then once you see the Truth you are held responsible for it.
    What was done away (in a very condensed version) = ritualistic observance, vain services, additional burdens added to original commands that are included in the OT. His blood sacrifice replaced the need for ALL sacrifice as well as the command for us to carry out punishment by death- instead making the way of forgiveness and grace (which comes only upon repentance and changing from our willfull disobedient ways and transforming the old creature into a new- new wine does not go into old bottles after all).
    Of course no one can obey God perfectly- and that is not what He expects, we are human, we must recognize our own sinfulness and come to humility before God- Christ fulfilled in perfection. We honor in humility and submission acknowledging that we are children of the Father, that our will is not what matters, only HIS. We don’t obey to lean on our own works, we obey because we Love God and trust that what He commanded and what His Son demonstrated were for our benefit – and it is! There is so much real and true richness in the Word once you step out and start really trusting God and stop worrying what other people think of you, and stop trying so hard to fit in with the world, stop justifying why you think it is okay to keep on doing the things you do, all in vain. Grace only covers the truly repentant, without repentance there is no grace received…while God makes it available to everyone, He still allows each person to make that choice for themselves. You won’t get Grace forced on you, it’s a gift that you have to receive, and it only is received when one is truly humbled and repentant. People who claim to be under grace but absolutely refuse to repent and CHANGE from their ways and the ways of the world are not really under true grace…they are comforted by the idea of grace, but still too afraid to allow God’s Grace to change them.
    There is more, so much more revealed in keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days that you have not reached yet. Christ is our High Priest, and everything about the Holy Days and Sabbath point us directly to Him and we worship Him in Spirit and TRUTH.
    I’m sorry for my first posts sounding harsh, but do sincerely pray that you arrive at full understanding. I was at one time, where you are at now, trying desperately to convince myself and everyone else that we were doing the right things and that we knew the right answers…. but in fact, we know nothing except what God allows us to see- and then only as much as we allow ourselves to see.

    1. Angie says:

      I look forward to reading this when I have more time. I would like to say that since you know my name and you can see pics of my family, it would be nice if you would at least leave your name.

    2. Melanie says:

      In response to this post, may I please ask for clarification on what is being stated:- are you stating that if someone does not observe the Sabbath on the 7th day of the week or observe the Holy Days as detailed under Mosaic Law, they are not able to experience grace through Jesus Christ by believing (pisteuo style) in Him and the shedding of His blood for forgiveness of sins?

      1. Angie says:

        Melanie, I don’t guess ‘g’ the commenter that won’t leave their name isn’t going to answer your question.

    3. Angie says:

      You said: Colossians 2:16
      Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in RESPECT of an HOLYday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH days: — he is not speaking to people who are NOT observing these things but to believers who ARE honoring and respecting God enough to submit themselves to HIM with repentant hearts under HIS Grace, no longer seeking their own will or their own reasoning but Trusting fully and wholly in God.”

      I disagree with you. Even of some of the gentile believers started observing the things GOD commanded the Isrealites, the idea behind the teaching in Col 2. is that, a believer doesn’t need to add anything to their walk. CHRIST is enough! With JESUS the purpose of the feast, festivals, New Moon, Sabbaths are fulfilled. Those things are a shadow and JESUS is the substance. Paul goes on to also address man made ideas that were also being taught.

      You Said “Christ clarified things done away – it will take you a lot of study- this understanding does not come overnight or in a handful of studies of what other people have to say about it either. It takes a lot of prayer and sincerely seeking the Truth from the Word of God putting aside all preconceived ideas and just asking God to show it to you, and if you reallly want to know, then once you see the Truth you are held responsible for it.”

      Yes, I agree JESUS does clatify things done away BUT HE also said HE didn’t tell them everything but when HE (in the flesh) leaves and the HOLY SPIRIT comes, HE will lead us into all truth. So we can not just rely on JESUS words, we must also study all the words of the NEW Covenant to find out how we are to live out our faith.

      Yes, I agree are relationship and walk takes a lot of prayer, sincere seeking, putting aside preconceived ideas, plain ol asking GOD to show you and really wanting to know. I do, I have, I am, I will continue and GOD knows my heart.

      You said “What was done away (in a very condensed version) = ritualistic observance, vain services, additional burdens added to original commands that are included in the OT. His blood sacrifice replaced the need for ALL sacrifice as well as the command for us to carry out punishment by death- instead making the way of forgiveness and grace (which comes only upon repentance and changing from our willfull disobedient ways and transforming the old creature into a new- new wine does not go into old bottles after all).”

      GOD never intended for people to observe HIM (and HIS ways) only with outward motions, HE always intended for people to oberve HIS ways from the heart. So that was not what was done a way with. Now JESUS also taught that all the extras were not needed but that is not what was done away with because those things were never added by GOD. Why would JESUS do away with something that to GOD was never an issue.

      You said “Of course no one can obey God perfectly- and that is not what He expects, we are human, we must recognize our own sinfulness and come to humility before God- Christ fulfilled in perfection. We honor in humility and submission acknowledging that we are children of the Father, that our will is not what matters, only HIS. We don’t obey to lean on our own works, we obey because we Love God and trust that what He commanded and what His Son demonstrated were for our benefit – and it is!”

      I agree.

      You said “There is so much real and true richness in the Word once you step out and start really trusting God and stop worrying what other people think of you, and stop trying so hard to fit in with the world, stop justifying why you think it is okay to keep on doing the things you do, all in vain.”

      I am really trustingg GOD and I am not worried about what other people think, I am not trying to fit in with the world, and I am not justifying what I think but thanks for the advice. In my NEW Covenant post, I am going against preconcieved ideas that I have been taught. I am not ashamed to speak OUT what I understand to be truth, so I am really not concerned about what the world says or thinks. If I was worried about fitting in with the world I would not even spend time seeking GODs truth.

      You said: “Grace only covers the truly repentant, without repentance there is no grace received…while God makes it available to everyone, He still allows each person to make that choice for themselves. You won’t get Grace forced on you, it’s a gift that you have to receive, and it only is received when one is truly humbled and repentant. People who claim to be under grace but absolutely refuse to repent and CHANGE from their ways and the ways of the world are not really under true grace…they are comforted by the idea of grace, but still too afraid to allow God’s Grace to change them.”

      There is a difference between being perfect and having a truly repentant heart. GRACE comes when we believe in JESUS, GRACE abounds in our life because of JESUS. GRACE doesn’t show up because we have it all together and are completely obedient. GRACE is always with us because we belong to GOD through JESUS!! I thank GOD HE is the one that judges me and not you because you are judging me based on your understanding and I and lots of other people (with sincere hearts that seek GOD) happen to disagree with your understanding. I am thankful though that you and I both put our hope in JESUS!!

      You said: There is more, so much more revealed in keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days that you have not reached yet. Christ is our High Priest, and everything about the Holy Days and Sabbath point us directly to Him and we worship Him in Spirit and TRUTH.

      That is wonderful if you use these days to point to HIM! I have studied how you can find JESUS in all these things. Though that is not how and why they were given. GOD gave them to the Isrealites so that they would have a constant reminder of who HE is and what HE did for them. HE never instructs them to look towards the coming of the CHRIST when they observe these things. Those people needed constant reminders because they didn’t have the HOLY SPIRIT. THose things were needed then, they are not needed now. Are you free in CHRIST to observe them for the purpose of focusing on GOD and what HE did for those people and what HE did for all people when HE gave us JESUS? YES, I believe you are are. I have taught my kids about some of these feast and plan on continueing to do that. I do not believe that anyone who observes them today are actually obeying the commands in reference to the Feast and Festivals, Sabbath as they were given by GOD; people have added lots of things to all of these days that GOD never commanded to be done or spoken, and there is no temple, no earthly priest, no one sacrifices a lamb, etc. Why would GOD expect us to obey commands that are impossible to actualy obey the way HE commanded. As I said I believe they all had a purpose but that purpose has been completed. Just as sacrafices, cleansing rituals, etc are no longer needed or commanded. I believe that the commands of the sabbath, and Feast and Festivals, food, and clothing distinctions, how you plant crops, yelling out to a sick person, etc all the commands that were used to show a distinction between Gods people at the time and all other people are no longer needed and commanded. Though as I said I do think a believer is free to observe these things the best way they can now with the purpose of pointing to GOD and JESUS. I believe that all the commands (the ways GOD wants us to walk) are clearly spelled out in the New Covenant writings. I am sincerely seeking GODs truth, and I do trust that HE will reveal it to me. I do believe that I will continue to grow and HE will continue to reveal HIMSELF and HIS ways.

      You said “I’m sorry for my first posts sounding harsh, but do sincerely pray that you arrive at full understanding. I was at one time, where you are at now, trying desperately to convince myself and everyone else that we were doing the right things and that we knew the right answers…. but in fact, we know nothing except what God allows us to see- and then only as much as we allow ourselves to see.

      As I said I appreciate any prayers on my behalf. Though I hope you pray that I come into all truth, that is GOD’s not just what you perceive to be truth. I believe that you have studied and prayed to get to where you are but just because I don’t see it the way you do, doesn’t mean that I haven’t and that I am not sincere in my seeking and worship of GOD. I also am not trying to convince myself or anyone else of anything. I seek and I share. What someone else takes from what I share is between them and GOD.

      I love discussing GOD’s word, so I am glad you have commented on my blog. As I said though it would be nice if you would share your name.

  4. g says:

    As a follow-up…when was the Holy Spirit given to Christ’s followers? That’s right- the Day of Pentecost which is one of the commanded Holy Days. Easily glossed over by scholars and teachers of today…. sadly so. If they had not been present on the Day of Pentecost, doing their best, to humbly honor God then they would not have received the Holy Spirit.
    If the disciples had not been observing Passover then they would not have learned the symbolism of Christ’s body as the bread of life, and his blood as wine poured out for us…..much more…this is just a hint of what you are missing in your study.

    1. Angie says:

      Hi again,

      It would be nice to know your name since you know mine =O)

    2. Angie says:

      You said “As a follow-up…when was the Holy Spirit given to Christ’s followers? That’s right- the Day of Pentecost which is one of the commanded Holy Days. Easily glossed over by scholars and teachers of today…. sadly so”

      I do not agree that is has been glossed over. I was taught all my life that the HOLY SPRIT was given on Pentecost.

      You said: If they had not been present on the Day of Pentecost, doing their best, to humbly honor God then they would not have received the Holy Spirit.

      If they hadn’t been where they were supposed to be, maybe they wouldn’t have received the HS but GOD would have used someone else or somewhere else. When HE has a plan he will accomplish it despite a person’s disobedience.

      You said: If the disciples had not been observing Passover then they would not have learned the symbolism of Christ’s body as the bread of life, and his blood as wine poured out for us…..much more…this is just a hint of what you are missing in your study.

      Thank you but I am not missing this in my study. It is not because they celebrated Passover that they could put 2 and 2 together. It was because GOD told them through the HOLY SPIRIT who JESUS was…..Bread of Life, Light of the world, Living water and so on, and so on.

      The disciples would not have stopped or understand they had freedom to stop observing any of the commands giving to their people in the OC, because JESUS just had died, and rose again. The HOLY SPIRIT before pentecost had not come to reveal ALL truth. After they received the HOLY SPIRIT, then GOD began to reveal to them all the rest of HIS words of the New Covenant.

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